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The country's own choices will make sure we regret it. The other countries don't have to do anything but let the contradictions of the UK's wishes punch each other in the face. And yes, as you said - we shouldn't have voted to leave. But we did. And when you voted for that, there must have been "the thing you wanted". Nothing has changed since 2016. No options that we had then have been taken off the table. Edit - and a small piece of advice, if you think we're now going down the wrong path, is arguing with people who agree with you on that point about why you want to leave the best course of action?

Who on earth is "their"? I think you mean "our". The European Union is not the Commission, it's not the Parliament. It's the collective group of 28 countries, including (currently) the UK. Incidentally, all of this is irrelevant. This is 2016's conversation. The vote is over. More people were convinced by your argument than ours. Well done. So now tell us how you plan to make it work. You've got seven months left.

More excellent evidence as to why a further referendum on this isn't really going to solve the problem. No matter how much evidence is placed in front of people, if they don't want to believe it then they'll just carry on in the little world of fantasy.

So we're in a weird, topsy-turvy world where The S*n is on the right side of morality and the BBC are the ones pandering to the worst of elements of society.

This is the only part that I take issue with - but given it's the "what will actually happen" part it's kind of a biggie. It talks of the transition period as if it's something that is in the bag, and in the absence of anything else we just roll into it. But as things stand today, there is no agreed transition. The other countries have said that transition only happens if the withdrawal agreement is settled and that is only settled once an acceptable solution to Ireland is found. But for an acceptable solution for Ireland to be found, parliament has to come to an agreement and we're back to the top of his list of reasons why parliament won't come to an agreement. It's possible that the other countries will hang Ireland out to dry, but nothing they've said up to now suggests that they will.

It's a comparison worth making. The difference is though that A) he was the outlet for those on the left of Labour. Europhobic Tories have their Goves, Moggs and Leadsoms. If they want someone with the terrible politics of Johnson without the shameless, self-serving narcissism, they have choices. B ) Corbyn would never have made it to the ballot if those proposing him thought he had a chance of winning (some of those who nominated him have said as much). Not really the case here. There's definitely a path through. I reckon it needs Reeg-Mogg to endorse him rather than running himself. Which I reckon he will (endorse, not run). It also needs as few Brexity types as possible running. Apparently there are as many as forty MPs considering it when the time comes. Those who don't back Boris at the start, will mainly transfer to Patel, Raab, Gove etc keeping ABDPJ out of the final two. It also needs two of three from Gove, Javid and Hunt to crash and burn. Gove has lost support massively since Chequers, but the other two have done well (from a Tory MP's perspective, not a normal human's perspective). I reckon Hunt's current shouting tour of Europe about how everything is still the EU's fault is doing him the world of good with the base. Which is good, because it's precisely who it's aimed at. I spend more time reading ConservativeHome.com than is healthy (any amount of time at all basically)

Oh, absolutely. It's a moving situation, and they'll probably do the thing that they think is most likely to keep them in power. If that means nominating Boris then they'll hold their nose and do it. The counter though is that his persona is now permanently welded to Brexit. The further round the u-bend that goes, the further they might go in the direction of someone who can say to the electorate "look, I told you this was stupid all along". If the country is on fire next spring and May quits, Boris might struggle to claim that none of it is his fault

The Conservative party system doesn't really work for him though. If he gets through to the final two candidates then he's a shoe-in among the members. But he's pretty hated amongst the PCP, so it would be a massive surprise if his name got as far as that.

I'd guess he doesn't mean pariah. Change that to say, martyr and it makes more sense.

Yaxley-Lennon freed on bail by the Court of Appeal. So the far-right now have their Nelson Mandela.

I'd guess his brain is so hard-wired to saying that such-and-such ISN'T EVEN IN THE EU!, and he didn't register that the discussion was on the G7, not the EU.

He's probably UKIPPy enough. That Arron Banks really knows his stuff.

I'm not sure there is an option available that isn't. The situation up until recently of making Italy deal with anybody who came across the Mediterranean from Libya and making Greece just deal with anyone coming via Turkey and making it their problem wasn't viable. Having a supranational policy is only going to work if everyone is happy to play their part and many demonstrably aren't. Plus the Council dictating individual member state migration policy isn't a great look at the moment. Having a couple of countries (i.e Germany) deciding to suspend the Dublin Regulation doesn't work, as group responsibility will just be handed over to them wholesale. I assume we all agree that "just turning back anybody from Africa and the Middle East, regardless of circumstance" isn't really a suitable policy either. Whether as a group or as individual countries I'm not sure that there is a possible policy option available that isn't appalling in some way.

Well, it was the response that you gave when asked how things are going to work now we're leaving.

So to solve all the problems that this is going to create, we do something that we can do now and could have done at any point in the last forty years?

Cool, the conversation has now caught up to summer 2016. Now, how is this thing you decided you wanted going to actually work?

Yeah, second referendum! Right guys? I'm sure loads of people get it now...

Following the successful no confidence votes in Hoey and Field on the Labour side, the Tories have a bit less luck: https://order-order.com/2018/07/30/soubry-defeats-deselection-plot-as-association-chairman-resigns/

Which contradictions do you feel that it solves? I might be missing the wood for the trees here, but I can't think of much that it solves on it's own.

In which case, I have good news. The weather means that crop yields are massively down, meaning there is much less to pick anyway.

But also their autumn "no deal awareness plan" has to be shelved, due to the panic it will cause. So after 18 months of leavers whining that the thing that means we're not taken seriously is the show that we're ready to walk away, it's taken around ten days of "showing we're ready to walk away" for them to realise that if the public at large find out what walking away means there would be chaos. Solid work once again.

I'd describe it in that there have been worse politicians in terms of their policies, but at least they were implemented properly. There have been worse politicians at getting things done but they weren't complete halfwits. I can't think of many where the quadfecta of bad policy, bad administration from both sides of the house all met in the middle of the Venn diagram. Which I think is broadly along your lines above.

Frank Field too apparently. Good riddance to the pair of them.

Another thing - This now has to reference the transition period, the existence of which it treats as established fact. Which it isn't. In other news, the bus has come back out.

Dominic Raab tells the Brexit Select Committee that the government has no plans to draw a border down the “Red Sea”*. If there was one thing that this hopeless shower haven't done yet to make things worse, it's trying to carve up bits of the Middle East in the name of Project Ignorance. *He did quickly correct himself and say he meant the Irish Sea.