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I understand that @Teale's 'tache, as in a lion outside the crestvor whatever as a stand-alone. Just seems odd to have the drop shadow yellow lion for example and a really detailed lion that is a different colour.

It makes plenty of sense, lots of brands have multiple variations of the same logo for various use cases. It's not a separate badge just a variation of. In this instance the detailed one seems to exist simply for protecting the trademark after that render with the gold lion appeared, I don't expect the detailed one to be used much because there aren't many use cases for it. Also, remember none of these have been officially released, just trademarked, it's not like we are going around chucking 4/5 different crest on all of our branding. In fact, we've been very consistent in using the Lerner crest for everything apart from the kits and training gear, which is what we were told would happen. The 150 marque is being used as a marque should be, what we have control of, we have by and large controlled, but we can't control what others do so easily, at least not until we have just one crest as part of our brand that has had time to bed in. I'm no fan of the new design, or the communication/process of it. In my opinion it isn't even the final form of whatever Heck and his team envisage the crest to finally be, it's just an evolution from the Lerner crest in the direction of that final form. It's a brand evolution rather than a revolution.

If I could choose out of any official use of any of our badges, it be this one in the bottom right. But the lion flipped (obvs) To me, it ticks several boxes clean, simple and legible 👍 looks like it’s been around forever (even tho it hasn’t) 👍 can scale and still be recognisable 👍 can be simplified and expanded for what ever the needs are 👍 no extra faff like stars, dates or “F.C.” 👍 Just nice rampant lion and Aston Villa 

Sadly football and especially Aston Villa football doesn’t work like that. Expect it to go to the last day

late run on 4th ?  

I would have to reluctantly swap Super John for Morty, I would have Giddy for Moreno and Ash for Bailey. Close call though, these replacements aren't as young as they once were. 

Bailey still playing through his injury apparently, so I’d throw Bailey on second half as usual to bring Dougie back into starting line up.

Ins Pavlidis ST/SS, Geertruida DM/CB/RB, Frimpong RWB, Gutierrez LB, Veerman CM, Hermoso CB/LB Outs Digne, Cash, Coutinho, Sanson, Dendonker, Chambers, Hause, Lenglet, Zaniolo

Erdo Pete and Son mate  

Agreed his stats are up there with Leon in midfield. Who would miss out to accommodate him?