TRO Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) He really is the most inoffensive player in the squad. I find it truly baffling. you have answered yourself......Inoffensive to the opposition too, more importantly. We have players who constantly gift the opposition the ball with mistakes who get far less criticism than Westwood. FAR less.Hell, our actual defensive midfielder (Sanchez) put in one of the worst challenges I've seen against Sturridge when he scored that cracking volley against us - not even mentioned in his thread. If that was Westwood, we'd have meltdown... so lets mention it then, but we was talking about Westwood.....I will go on the Sanchez thread to register the complaint about him. Some players at least body check....not saying fouling is ok......but lets get close and do something.... we just allow the opposition to railroad us. If other players do it and I believe it to be so, then they deserve criticism too.....but Westwood is billed as a Defensive midfielder. Edited October 9, 2015 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 He's not a defensive midfielder though! We're going to just keep going round in circles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Absolutely nowhere near good enough in my opinion, but I find it baffling how much praise he gets game after game. Dropping him would be a blessing in disguise. He's been in our relegation battles since he joined us pretty much, yet he still somehow makes every team sheet and claims the 'unsung hero' title from certain fans? Someone like him in the middle of the park needs to step up and become a leader. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Absolutely nowhere near good enough in my opinion, but I find it baffling how much praise he gets game after game. He's been in our relegation battles since he joined us pretty much, yet he still somehow makes every team sheet Hardly anybody praises him. Just defend him from OTT criticism.And Benteke was in relegation battles year upon year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) Absolutely nowhere near good enough in my opinion, but I find it baffling how much praise he gets game after game. apart from everyone saying he was awful for a few games a couple of games ago ? zzzzz. stop making stuff up. Edited October 8, 2015 by gharperr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) He's not a defensive midfielder though! We're going to just keep going round in circles fine, so what is he?.....If he is playing the DM Role. Edited October 9, 2015 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Absolutely nowhere near good enough in my opinion, but I find it baffling how much praise he gets game after game. He's been in our relegation battles since he joined us pretty much, yet he still somehow makes every team sheet Hardly anybody praises him. Just defend him from OTT criticism.And Benteke was in relegation battles year upon year too. .......and maybe, he was another one over hyped, emphasis maybe, he is not exactly pulling up trees for his new employer, granted he is injured....but what I have seen of him, has not impressed me.....He looks lost. I think a lot of folk on here seem to forget we finished 17th WITH Beneteke,Vlaar,Delph & Cleverley......don't say much about the rest, does it? Edited October 9, 2015 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2015 Do people actually watch us play?Are you honestly trying to say Benteke wasn't very good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Do people actually watch us play?Are you honestly trying to say Benteke wasn't very good? Do people actually watch us play?Are you honestly trying to say Benteke wasn't very good? I didn't say he wasn't very good, and yes I do watch them play, but I have my opinions as you do yours. Christian Benteke for us, on form was bordering on unplayable....but equally he had spells like Agbonlahor, when he was barren.....as an example.. In the ideal world a goal a game 9 games is more likely to produce more points than 3 goals in 3 games and 6 barren ones.....its not how many goals are scored, its the effect on points those goals have. Some goal scorers would be more liable to get goals when the team needs them, Like Shearer and our own Andy Gray/Peter Withe. My point was despite his goals....we still finished 17th..... so what was the rest doing. I never wanted Christian to leave, but that did not impair my observation that he could have games where he looked uninterested. Watching games is a really good way of seeing all these things, but then opinions can vary even so......I would be amazed if folk came on here spewing their frustration out of a team they love dearly without watching them play. All our fans support the team......But they have varying views on the merits of each player and they are entitled to that, without being questioned as to whether they watch the games. Edited October 9, 2015 by TRO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2015 But what you're saying is because we finished 17th, no player could have been very good.That is completely flawed logic. If you put Leo Messi in a sunday league team then they'd finish bottom of the premier league. But would that mean Messi isn't very good?Crazy logic. It's always bothered me when people say "well we're crap so Player X can't be very good". It's bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Expected by those who don't rate him to be both offensive and defensive when, in reality, he isn't made for either.People can't seem to get past this, though, and think you either need to be assisting/scoring or destructive. No other type of midfielder exists!No, no other midfielder is worth existing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Steveo is right in saying that good players can exist in poor teams.Benteke, Vlaar (when fit), Delph are all examples of that.Westwood, just isn't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted October 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2015 There are players who are more to blame for our failure than Westwood, hes not the best but hes far from the worst.....IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ermie123 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 One thing is for certain it should be illegal for Westwood to get anywhere near a set piece!!! In fact if he did get near a set piece then he should be fined and as a final resort imprisoned!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) But what you're saying is because we finished 17th, no player could have been very good.That is completely flawed logic. If you put Leo Messi in a sunday league team then they'd finish bottom of the premier league. But would that mean Messi isn't very good?Crazy logic. It's always bothered me when people say "well we're crap so Player X can't be very good". It's bollocks. could possibly be the case, depending on how he played. you are possibly talking about technical ability in isolation of every other ingredient that is required to be a top player.....If Lionel Messi ( hypothetically) was playing for a sunday league side with all his talent, but decided he didn't want to APPLY it due to circumstances that belong to him and as a result the team finished bottom.....yes I would say he was CRAP ..............but the truth of the matter is this -Messi grafts like a trojan, has wonderful talent ad rarely plays a game where he doesn't APPLY it. Its a team game and all the individual parts need to be contributing.....chances are if you Finished 17th not much is working for you. I don't happen to share the stone blind theory that Benteke is a wonderful player, I think he is inconsistent, when he is on he is wonderful and when he's not he is not wonderful. some players in positions like him have more consistency in contributing to the teams result Edited October 9, 2015 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) But what you're saying is because we finished 17th, no player could have been very good.That is completely flawed logic. If you put Leo Messi in a sunday league team then they'd finish bottom of the premier league. But would that mean Messi isn't very good?Crazy logic. It's always bothered me when people say "well we're crap so Player X can't be very good". It's bollocks. you mean : What I think your saying is because we finished 17th, no player could have been very good. when in fact I wrote : Despite Benteke's goals we finished 17th.....so what was the rest doing?....Question ( not statement) Stevo.... you do seem to hang on to every word as though it is set in tablets of stone, some statements are generalisations.....I would wager that when a team gets relegated the odds are for more players being poor than good, I don't see the top six falling over their bootlaces to sign them, however there are always exceptions as with Benteke and Ings. However, its not about Benteke, its about Westwood and I don't like the flaws I see in his game.....thats not saying he has got some good points to his game too. on your last line it depends if the person is relating to a particular player, doing a particular thing that is directly relating to us losing, if so they may have a valid point. Edited October 9, 2015 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2015 You seem to be jumping back and forth between points. Don't really know what point you're trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejs1111 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Westy is a solid player... a good squad player. Nothing more. Unfortunately- we don't have anyone better to supplant him. So he is 1st11 every week instead of a rotation player like he should be. Personally I think Veretout is more talented and will surpass him, however- he is having difficulty adjusting to the Premier League so far- Westy has had 3yrs, Veretout has barely had 5 matches. Sanchez is a better DM, but he is more limited than Westy offensively- and cannot play more than 60minutes it seems. Westy cannot play DM as effectively as Sanchez... but he is a better passer, and can last the full 90. What never seems to work is when we play both Westy and Sanchez together at the same time, neither are mobile enough, zero pace. It leaves us too limited in MF and we are overrun. It needs to be one or the other.We need a mad scientist to combine Westy and Sanchez into one player... Sanchwood! holding midfield problem solved!!!UTV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Westwood has played far too many times for someone who is so limited a player.Bench him. Edited October 9, 2015 by Brumstopdogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Westy is a solid player... but that is exactly, what he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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