leighavfc Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 57 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I still don't get why the squad didn't travel home together. If going out after the game was not allowed why was Jack not on the team coach home? Well from what i have been told, Jacks mates made their way from brum and Jack and another friend made their own way there. So im guessing straight from Liverpool He has shown a complete lack of respect and discipline to the club, remi garde, fellow players and staff. Why villa let him make his own way back is another question to be answered.Next time they need to make sure that this is not allowed. Rules are rules. And its shown if these arent implemented some (or even just Jack) can not be trusted to adhere to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Look Guys, the sad fact is we all like to see local boys do well, but if you study carefully Jack has had bits missing from his game even when he was playing well for us. I'm not trying to pull him apart on the contrary, I want him to prove me wrong. Its not JUST him playing badly at present.....We have all been anxious for him to deliver, but if I am being honest with myself I think he was fast tracked a bit in the appaisals I do think there is a time, for a player to leave the second team and fly the nest.....I do think Jack should be in the first team squad, but he has a long way to go to be effective in the first team....He needs to improve his reading of the game,keep on his feet, chase lost causes, make himself more available by intelligent movement, attract news on the pitch not off it and above all develop and " eye of the tiger" approach to a game. He is not all Aston Villa's ills, lets make no mistake about it.....but if we didn't care about his future, we wouldn't be bothering to write. Edited November 25, 2015 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted November 25, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2015 2 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: It's great isn't it? New manager just arrived and you're out getting smashed after a 4-0 defeat? What total bellend this guy is. in fairness I have been out 4 nights in a row trying to forget that game and I still cant get over it 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 1 hour ago, TRO said: I was not suggesting it was acceptable then or now. The correlation that i was alluding to.....is that they could all play and play bloody well consistently. ....Yes, they could...back when 95% of British footballers were out getting pissed every week, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 11 hours ago, Zatman said: is it really controversy. I have had bad days at work and a few drinks is what you need after it Does your job require you to be at peak physical fitness in order to train throughout the week for an exhaustive physical performance at the weekend, for 40 odd weeks running? Are you aware how physically detrimental alcohol is to the body? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyC Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 right now we need discipline not loose cannons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 2 hours ago, TRO said: So walking down the High st with your nuts hanging out is ok as long as its not too often......Once in a while is quite acceptable. What item of clothing are you describing here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 5 minutes ago, AndyC said: right now we need discipline not loose cannons. 'Goddammit, the last thing this department needs is a MAVERICK' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted November 25, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) 2 hours ago, leighavfc said: Well from what i have been told, Jacks mates made their way from brum and Jack and another friend made their own way there. So im guessing straight from Liverpool He has shown a complete lack of respect and discipline to the club, remi garde, fellow players and staff. Why villa let him make his own way back is another question to be answered.Next time they need to make sure that this is not allowed. Rules are rules. And its shown if these arent implemented some (or even just Jack) can not be trusted to adhere to them. As an adult Jack should be allowed to make his own travel arrangements after a game if he asks too (assuming he is done for the day), to force him to ride on a coach with the team is to treat him like a child. However, an adult should show that same level of respect to his manager, teammates and club and not do something inappropriate. Sadly it appears that Jack lacked the sense and maturity to do so. Edited November 25, 2015 by Rds1983 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 25, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2015 Well the next chapter in the already-sizeable book of Grealish is entirely up to him. He can grow from this or he can throw the toys. Reports are that the punishment is 'indefinite', which kind of goes without saying really. We'll know more about what we've got here from how he bounces back from this setback. Come on Jack. Fix this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighavfc Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Quote As an adult Jack should be allowed to make his own travel arrangements after a game if he asks too (assuming he is done for the day), to force him to ride on a coach with the team is to treat him like a child. However, an adult should show that same level of respect to his manager, teammates and club and not do something inappropriate. Sadly it appears that Jack lacked the sense and maturity to do so. Yes fair comment mate about making his own arrangements but in my opinion a team should travel to and from games together as that contributes to a team mentality. I understand that it may come across as treating them like children but Jack obviously needs this kind of treatment as he cant be trusted to do otherwise. Same goes for any other player who totally disrespects the club in the same way. Obviously in certain circumstances the players shudnt have too do this but there cant be many reasons why the players should travel seperately. Jack has shown he cannot be trusted to do such thing after the weekends antics, i wonder what he told Villa he was doing not to travel back with the rest of the team? Because clearly he didnt tell them he was going for a piss up in manchester... And i cant see them accepting any other reason ,(apart from something like family reasons or the like),why he wont be travelling by coach from now on as he must have lied to them this time round. Edited November 25, 2015 by leighavfc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 4 hours ago, BOF said: Well the next chapter in the already-sizeable book of Grealish is entirely up to him. He can grow from this or he can throw the toys. Reports are that the punishment is 'indefinite', which kind of goes without saying really. We'll know more about what we've got here from how he bounces back from this setback. Come on Jack. Fix this. I'm betting he doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Pretty inevitable for our club at the moment that the only genuine bit of talent our youth system has produced in recent years should go off the rails before he's even achieved anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted November 25, 2015 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2015 Lambert was right, he isn't/wasn't ready and his performances on the pitch and behaviour off it smack of someone not ready and given too much too soon. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wittmann Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 5 hours ago, BOF said: Well the next chapter in the already-sizeable book of Grealish is entirely up to him. He can grow from this or he can throw the toys. Reports are that the punishment is 'indefinite', which kind of goes without saying really. We'll know more about what we've got here from how he bounces back from this setback. Come on Jack. Fix this. Sorry BOF...but I think there is no chance of this......He already believes his own hype or he wouldn't have done this...the boy thinks he's made it and there is no way back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 25, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2015 Whether or not you end up being right, I think there's plenty of time for him to turn it around as of right now, if he starts getting and taking the right advice. Garde might be the best thing that ever happened him. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 15 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Lambert was right, he isn't/wasn't ready and his performances on the pitch and behaviour off it smack of someone not ready and given too much too soon. He put in some good performances under Sherwood last season, but I agree with you about his behaviour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 9 hours ago, DCJonah said: I still don't get why the squad didn't travel home together. If going out after the game was not allowed why was Jack not on the team coach home? I don't understand it either. I know in the past we've let Heskey and Friedel go home seperately after games in the North west as their family homes were in Cheshire and they were senior pros so no issue of them messing about off the pitch. Grealish isn't really doing himself many favours really with his attitude and underwhelming performances of late. I'd have love to have heard his excuse to Remi about why he wanted to stay in the North west as Garde was well within his rights to make the squad come into the training ground for a Sunday session after that "performance." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Should've gone on loan in the summer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 19 minutes ago, bobzy said: Should've gone on loan in the summer... would have been uproar and another stick to beat the previous manager with especially with how results played out this season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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