Stevo985 Posted November 30, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2015 Do we actually know if that's true though. When we signed Westwood, the Crewe manager said we had a 20 game dossier or something on him. Seems pretty thorough. Plus that article seems to be Sherwood talking more about Spurs than villa (in terms of scouting) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Yes its poor scouting getting in the wrong players from the lower leagues. Most of what Sherwood said i agree with except Villa staying up but I bet he doesn't think that really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Pie charts and reports I am sure Collymore mentioned something about this with Fox, Reilly and that other clown we got from Arsenal. This is the basis they use when signing players? There was a massive rant from Stan on talksport about it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 almost certain we were linked with the Barnsley chap who went to Everton, indicates we probably are looking at those options as well, not to mention the scouting done as mentioned above re Westwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Pie charts and reports I am sure Collymore mentioned something about this with Fox, Reilly and that other clown we got from Arsenal. This is the basis they use when signing players? There was a massive rant from Stan on talksport about it It sounds like the sort of thing people complain is happening when they're not really sure what is happening. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Pie charts and reports I am sure Collymore mentioned something about this with Fox, Reilly and that other clown we got from Arsenal. This is the basis they use when signing players? There was a massive rant from Stan on talksport about it I don't give a **** what Collymore says, and I don't give a ****. what Sherwood says. "Pie charts" seems to have worked pretty well in most other sporting codes in the last 20 years (see American & Australian professional sports), football has been in the dark ages compared to these. Sherwood **** the club, not Reilly or anyone else he wants to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Come on, guys, does anyone seriously think we just sign players based on statistics and pie charts. It's just Sherwood talking out of his arse again. And there has been ample evidence from many sources of us having scouts at games. Let's not swallow this shit from Sherwood and his media mates. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 The irony is, we were also trying to sign Cresswell, Holgate and Alli, but were priced out of it and/or not as attractive as the other propositions. Instead we had to settle for the Bennetts and Lowtons of this world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 For every Jamie Vardy there is a Jordan Bowery. Don't let the media make you think otherwise. We have essentially been there done that. Yes you will pick up some good players in the lower leagues but it helps if the environment they are coming into is a relatively successful one and not a struggling team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tarjei Posted December 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2015 http://www.football365.com/news/mails-its-time-to-call-out-tim-sherwood Quote You’re wrong, Tim Hello F365, Now, I’m not often compelled to write in to the site. I absolutely love all the articles on here and it’s generally my ‘go to’ place for news and such. I had to change this though, when my little town of Fleetwood has been getting so much press lately. Throw in the scouting and grassroots business and I was already typing your email address into my Gmail account before I knew what was happening. Anyway, I live in Fleetwood. I have completed the level two PFSA Scouting course in Manchester, and I’m a grassroots coach with Fleetwood Town Juniors and the club secretary. Guess who we see every time we hold a tournament or play a match? Scouts. Scouts everywhere. We’ve had United down, Everton and Liverpool. In fact, the Liverpool scouts and coaches regularly come and put sessions on for our U7’s. Now, I’m not a Liverpool fan (United, actually) but they’re more than aware of what’s going on in the region and it’s brilliant to see. Everton even invited those same U7’s down to their Finch Farm training complex, and you’ve honestly never seen a happier bunch of kids. Premier League clubs aren’t blind, their just sensible. At times… Anyway, we’ve got a cracking relationship with the official club, but that’s beside the point. My point is this out and out nonsense from Tim Sherwood about Scouts not tramping all around the country to view young talent. About how they’d hate going to somewhere like Fleetwood on a cold, wet night in November (it’s been horribly cold, wet and windy here lately. It always is, but that doesn’t stop people coming. Usually it’s the smell.) Words spill out of his mouth like a drunk man that’s eaten one too many nasty looking kebabs. It’s utter rubbish. When Jamie Vardy used to play for Fleetwood, there were dozens of Scouts at the ground watching as he banged in goal after goal in a truly amazing season. He’s always been a goalscorer and he’s still remembered very fondly by everyone in the town and at the club. Every time he’s scored recently, the announcers at Highbury…well…announce it. He’s still an awful person for his remarks in pre-season, but like the national media, most people tend to gloss over that part. Which they shouldn’t do. The only reason he went to Leicester, is because they were the only one’s willing to pay a million quid for him. The club rejected loads of offers, but none of them had the incentives that Leicester’s did. Now, Timmy ‘lad lad, banter banter arf arf’ Sherwood properly annoys the life out of me. I was delighted when he got sacked from Villa, because I firmly believe he is a truly awful football manager, as well as a genuinely bitter person. I can just imagine him and old ‘arry Redknapp, sitting around a roaring fire, lamenting about how their hard done by, and all the foreigners are ruining the game. It honestly makes me warm inside to know that both of them are out of jobs. It’s great. His knowledge on scouting is about as equal as his knowledge on the game. Even regarding using technology. I spent one long, weary (but quite enlightening day) in the company of scouts from all around the Fylde and Lancashire, and they all said that technology was welcome and that it made their lives and jobs easier. Gone are the days of turning up to a match and just praying that it’s not been called off due to bad weather. Now, they can easily check online. They can send an e-mail or a text. Technology will never replace those ‘foot soldiers’ but it will sure as hell make their lives easier. So, regardless of what Tim says, they’re not afraid to come here to Fleetwood. In fact, we’d not only give them a cup of tea, we’d probably treat them to a cracking Chippy Tea from one of the 40,000 chippies around the town. Not Sherwood though, he can get tae f***. Kind RegardsChris Morton, Fleetwood Town Juniors Secretary 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Excellent article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 2 hours ago, dudevillaisnice said: For every Jamie Vardy there is a Jordan Bowery. Don't let the media make you think otherwise. We have essentially been there done that. Yes you will pick up some good players in the lower leagues but it helps if the environment they are coming into is a relatively successful one and not a struggling team. be no Bowery bashing on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 1 minute ago, Zatman said: be no Bowery bashing on here Sounds like a euphemism. It's all gone wrong since he left, hasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 that letter is quite shit though, it wasnt even the point Tim was making about scouts. Of course a guy is banging in 20 goals scouts are going to go see the player play. His point was that scouts dont want to go to these games to find talent they dont know about, that they wont go down to Fleetwood vs Colchester in the hope of finding a gem that nobody has heard about and would prefer a trip/holiday abroad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 1, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 1, 2015 18 minutes ago, Zatman said: that letter is quite shit though, it wasnt even the point Tim was making about scouts. Of course a guy is banging in 20 goals scouts are going to go see the player play. His point was that scouts dont want to go to these games to find talent they dont know about, that they wont go down to Fleetwood vs Colchester in the hope of finding a gem that nobody has heard about and would prefer a trip/holiday abroad 2 hours ago, tarjei said: Guess who we see every time we hold a tournament or play a match? Scouts. Scouts everywhere. We’ve had United down, Everton and Liverpool. In fact, the Liverpool scouts and coaches regularly come and put sessions on for our U7’s. Now, I’m not a Liverpool fan (United, actually) but they’re more than aware of what’s going on in the region and it’s brilliant to see. Everton even invited those same U7’s down to their Finch Farm training complex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 again watching U7s is not the point really as he is talking about lower league games and facilities that scouts wont visit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 1 hour ago, Zatman said: again watching U7s is not the point really as he is talking about lower league games and facilities that scouts wont visit Which also isn't true anywhere outside of Tim Sherwood's imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lp_villa830 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 5 hours ago, Zatman said: again watching U7s is not the point really as he is talking about lower league games and facilities that scouts wont visit How can they watch these 7 year olds and tournaments if they are refusing to visit the facilities they would be using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 On 30/11/2015, 13:06:44, Stevo985 said: When we signed Westwood, the Crewe manager said we had a 20 game dossier or something on him. What a waste of time and paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 8 hours ago, tarjei said: http://www.football365.com/news/mails-its-time-to-call-out-tim-sherwood There are 40,000 chippies in Fleetwood?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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