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Is it too much to ask to have an average team that wins home games every once in a while? 5 seasons of this in a row of this is just too much. I feel like someone with untreated high cholestorol for years about to have a stroke. Fix it Fox.

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Is it too much to ask to have an average team that wins home games every once in a while? 5 seasons of this in a row of this is just too much. I feel like someone with untreated high cholestorol for years about to have a stroke. Fix it Fox.

I really don't think Tom Fox knows how. Sure he has a great track record in the commercial world, but running a football club ? he's probably more 'green' than sherwood is at managing the team. Isn't it obvious know he appointed Sherwood because he was the easy option ? - A CEO with the slightest bit of nous would dispense with sherwood now and appoint Big Sam.  Fox is reluctance to do this is down to his ineptitude not because he has some vision of us under Sherwood.

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To be fair to Fox, appointing Sherwood worked in so much as it kept us in the league.

What happens over the next month or two will show us a but more of what he is about. i.e. if Sherwood turns it around, or if Fox acts quickly if he doesn't!

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I wonder what Tim Sherwood is on wages wise. Not something that's ever discussed really, but I imagine being a inexperienced manager, young and widely considered a gamble that's it's not a great amount as far as managers go. Much like Lambert probably. I somehow doubt we could afford experienced managers, and when I say afford I just mean that in the language of Lerner.

Personally I don't care if Sherwood is sacked or not. I said exactly the same thing 6 months ago when everyone was screaming for Lambert's head. When will people learn, about 95% of our success is down, like it or not, to investment. How do people not recognise that if everything from the players, to the management, to the coaches to the Chief Exec has changed that the only constant in this failure is Lerner?

So who's the next manager without funds for transfers or more importantly wages?

Houllier - experienced old head. FAILED

McLeish - Local knowledge stupid gamble FAILED

Lambert - One years Prem experience, young grafting manager FAILED

Sherwood - mouthy young energetic chancer with no experience FAILING

It makes practically no difference who the manager is, a couple of places in the league maybe but Lerner has reduced the expenditure to such an extent that I genuinely believe that whoever the manager is now that we're fighting for 18th to 20th. Last year we were fighting for 17th to 19th. The year before that maybe 16th to 18th. We've been going one way for five years. And with such a obvious trajectory who realy thinks our wage bill hasn't gone down again this year?

Yes this is a white flag post. We aren't being relegated by Sherwood, we aren't being relegated by these first eight games, we're being relegated by systematic failures from Lerner. Chronic underinvestment has lead to this and it is now basically too late to do anything. Sherwood had to gamble abroad for cheap players, either transfers and/ or wages but it was always a gamble. Finally Lerner's luck has run out.

All True there are however managers who keep clubs out of the relegation zone on limited resources. Pullis, Allardyce spring to mind.

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I can't believe people are defending sherwood given his appalling record since he came to the club. It's clear he's not up to it as a manager and needs to spend some time in the lower leagues to learn. It's just a countdown until he is gone, and hopefully it will be sooner rather than later.

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I think it's remarkable so many people are still turning up to home games, I don't think the club (Randy) realises that.

Those turning up to our home games every week deserve a medal and possibly require medical screening.

As for Sherwood, it's not actually the results that have done it with me, I could live with those of I could see a longer term benefit. Like if I really believed in the manager or what he was trying to do.

For me though the results are one thing but his touch line antics and media comments are what have done it for me.

I can see no reason to think or even hope that things will improve given time, if anything I think he will make things worse.

Im generally very careful with my money. There is a lot self loathing going on at the minute, when I think I spent £800 on two season tickets. I really didn't want to go on Saturday.

Back TS - its obvious he isn't going to turn it around - I really don't see what another 5 or 10 games proves - accept the loose one of the blokes who could save us - and make our position in the league even worse.

 

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I think it's remarkable so many people are still turning up to home games, I don't think the club (Randy) realises that.

Those turning up to our home games every week deserve a medal and possibly require medical screening.

As for Sherwood, it's not actually the results that have done it with me, I could live with those of I could see a longer term benefit. Like if I really believed in the manager or what he was trying to do.

For me though the results are one thing but his touch line antics and media comments are what have done it for me.

I can see no reason to think or even hope that things will improve given time, if anything I think he will make things worse.

Honestly, if it wasn't for the mates I go with I would have given up a long time ago...I'd rather be at home with my kids.

I did have excitement about the beginning of this season, more so than previous and thought things could be different.  THey're not.

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It's not that I dislike him. There are few people in football who I save that feeling for (El Hadji Diouf for example). I just don't know how Sherwood got this job. He came across as a bit of an egotistical person whilst at Spurs. This is fine if you have a record like Van Gaal where you can back everything up but not when you are new to the game like Sherwood.

I also think the fact that he has tried to reset expectations for this season should be given more focus and, after letting him spend close to £50m in the summer, I would be extremely disappointed if Lerner and Fox were happy with this. Sadly, I don't think the former cares about anything other than us staying up.

At least Sherwood got some focus on Sunday Supplement yesterday where they spoke about how he still doesn't know his best formation even though we signed so many players.

I'm very much behind sacking Sherwood and bringing in Moyes or Allardyce.

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I have to drive from Surrey for home games, this is my first season with a season ticket and it was all exciting and optimistic for a while, that feeling has gone already and it's become a chore. Didn't bother going on Saturday and can't say i missed out on anything. For 5 years we have been doing our best to take the fun out of football.

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I actually think that there is a myth behind football management being some sort of specialist talent.

Sure, if I was to be dropped into premier league management I'd fall short, due to tactical awareness, contacts and just all round experience within the game at that level.

However....

I bet I could build a team spirit.

I bet I could communicate effectively

I bet I could demostrate  what I wanted to see

I bet I could motivate the players

I bet i would have the players respect

LOL no, just no. In the unlikely chance that you're the manager of a big successful corporation, then I apologize, however, in my opinion someone who has ever managed even a small group of 5-8 people would know very well that it's extremely difficult to do the 5 things you've said and pretty much impossible to achieve this for every individual within the team you are managing.

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Time to pull the trigger for me. Not because its necessarily what Tim deserves but with Allardyce and now Rodgers available and Sunderland also in the market there are better, safer options available. 

 

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How much is it going to cost us to sack him anyway?

That's the short shortsightedness that is Lerner, he wouldn't authorise the funds to save millions next season.  I will be really surprised if he's booted anytime soon.

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How much is it going to cost us to sack him anyway?

That's the short shortsightedness that is Lerner, he wouldn't authorise the funds to save millions next season.  I will be really surprised if he's booted anytime soon.

If he has anything about him he'll be able to see that we are no better than we were this time last season but with the following caveats also in place now:

  • An Inexperienced manger who has yet to face real adversity in his career, tactically clueless and incredibly naive.
  • No potential world class striker to save us.
  • A horror run of fixtures coming up.
  • £50 million spent on players that are deemed not good enough or fit enough to play for the team in October.
  • A hell of a lot of money to lose when he takes us down.

 

 

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How much is it going to cost us to sack him anyway?

That's the short shortsightedness that is Lerner, he wouldn't authorise the funds to save millions next season.  I will be really surprised if he's booted anytime soon.

I think £18-24mil on Darrent Bent suggests otherwise. He'll act to prevent relegation

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A serious question, does anybody actually believe we'll sack him any time soon? We do have a history of hanging onto managers too long.

I believe it's a strong possibility. 

If Tom Fox is in charge then we don't really know how long we hang onto managers because he's relatively new at it.

If Lerner is still making those decisions then yes, we may not sack him any time soon.

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