Keyblade Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 9 hours ago, Xela said: Who thinks that? I can't see anyone saying that in this discussion. Nobody on here mate, I just meant in general it's something I noticed. People (and ironically especially the type of people to say questionable things) seem to have more of a problem with accusations of racism than the actual rhetoric in question. Case in point, was there as much of an uproar during the Vardy incident? To put it into perspective, some dude is being blasted because he called someone (who was caught on video using racist slurs) a racist in an offhand social media post. What? Since when was being called a racist, especially with ample evidence something so terrible? As I mentioned before, we call people rapists (even when there isn't conclusive evidence) without batting an eyelid; a much more heinous allegation. It's like the people who complain about political correctness. They're not against PC per se, they just don't like not being able to say questionable things without rightly being called out on their rhetoric and so they hide behind red herrings like free speech. Or the people who say things like "if a white person said that, they'd be called racist". They're not particularly offended by or against the alleged racism, but more aggrieved by the fact that they can't say things like that . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 9 hours ago, Stevo985 said: What makes somebody a "massive" racist anyway? Hitler was a massive racist. The American south is full of massive racists. I'm not sure Jamie Vardy calling somebody a jap makes him a "massive" racist. Fixed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 9 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I still think it matters though. If I used the N word and somebody called me racist, I'd probably say fair enough. Shouldn't have said that, you're right. But if somebody called me a "massive racist" then I think I'd take exception to that. To me that implies that you haven't just said something racist, but that you actually are a racist. And they are two different things entirely, imo. So no I don't think the journalist was being too literal. But when he's clearly trying to be taken seriously, and feels it is a very serious issue, it's a bit silly to start calling somebody a MASSIVE racist because they said the word Jap. Idk, if you say something racist then you're a racist imo. If you weren't, you wouldn't have said it in the first place. I mean, unless you're going for terrible shock humour or something and you obviously don't believe what you say there's no reason to tell even racist jokes and even then it's in very poor taste. But that's besides the point, Vardy isn't being called a racist because he told a joke (a la Justin Bieber) but because he used a racist slur to the face of another person. That's an entirely different kettle of fish. You don't do that unless you're actually racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Football player in racism shocker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 5, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2015 Is Mahrez currently the best player in the Premier league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 between him and ozil iyam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 24 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Is Mahrez currently the best player in the Premier league? Definitely. Looking top drawer. If he can continue this level over the next few years he'll be among the best players in the world. Too good for a club like Leicester and probably won't be there next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingsombrero Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) You don't hear the name Ranieri much from the journo's and pundits at the moment do you. I guess giving him his due would make them look bad seeing as they spent so much time taking the piss out of him when he was appointed. Edited December 5, 2015 by flamingsombrero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 hour ago, flamingsombrero said: You don't hear the name Ranieri much from the journo's and pundits at the moment do you. I guess giving him his due would make them look bad seeing as they spent so much time taking the piss out of him when he was appointed. Pretty much. Vardy seems to be taking the headlines but Ranieri has done a wonderful job there, manager of the season easily so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 hour ago, flamingsombrero said: You don't hear the name Ranieri much from the journo's and pundits at the moment do you. I guess giving him his due would make them look bad seeing as they spent so much time taking the piss out of him when he was appointed. Well he does know how to finish 2nd in leagues.... Yeah I'll hold my hands up...thought it would be a Houllier style out of touch appointment as he was awful for Greece and seems to have been winding down in club management before that being sacked from a few Seria A Clubs. Can't wait until next Monday night,..Mourinho's face will be a picture before kick off when he goes to shake Ranieri's hand...the man he constantly derides being what 17 points clear of him in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 18 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Definitely. Looking top drawer. If he can continue this level over the next few years he'll be among the best players in the world. Too good for a club like Leicester and probably won't be there next season. I know its football but its a shame that Mahrez and Vardy are already been linked with moves away. They'll go to a bigger team and barely play. They'll never get back to the level they are at now. Its just a pain that when a smaller club gets good players they get raped by the bigger teams, who in truth don't really need those players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Xela said: I know its football but its a shame that Mahrez and Vardy are already been linked with moves away. They'll go to a bigger team and barely play. They'll never get back to the level they are at now. Its just a pain that when a smaller club gets good players they get raped by the bigger teams, who in truth don't really need those players. I'm not so sure. I think Mahrez is a genuinely class player and has age on his side, he can only get better. I see Vardy as having an exceptional run of form but will go revert back to what he was last season, a hard working nuisance who can't finish, plus he's 29 soon so doesn't have any room for development and can only get worse. I expect big things from Mahrez but not Vardy, Vardy may well get a 'big' move but he'll be shit, Mahrez I feel will go on a level. Edited December 6, 2015 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Easy to think Vardy will not make the stepup but thats what he has done all his football life. He's a bit like Ian Wright in that regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 A couple of pages ago I was poo-pooing the idea of Vardy getting a big move, but having watched Man Utd in the meantime, I'm now not so sure. He might not be fashionable, but I can't help feeling he'd be a lot more effective than Rooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'll be amazed if vardy moves tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Leicester play a very counter attacking game which gets best out of him though, United have a lot of the ball and he would have to play in tight spaces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 A couple of pages ago I was poo-pooing the idea of Vardy getting a big move, but having watched Man Utd in the meantime, I'm now not so sure. He might not be fashionable, but I can't help feeling he'd be a lot more effective than Rooney. More to do with the English tax that they'd have to pay on him, I bet he'd be £20-30m, which don't get me wrong he's doing really well, but he's 29 in January, scored 5 in 34 games last season, the fee that it would take to get him would make martial look a bargain Harry Kane is exactly the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) Kane is the only striker who would be good enough to move to top team tbh. Spurs probably only sell for bale money though. Can't imagine they would accept 60m-80mil for him Edited December 7, 2015 by gharperr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Yes, to be clear, I still think it's unlikely and that he'd be best off staying put. No team is ever going to play exactly to his strengths the way Leicester are right now. He'd soon get lost at a bigger club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 3 hours ago, villa4europe said: More to do with the English tax that they'd have to pay on him, I bet he'd be £20-30m, which don't get me wrong he's doing really well, but he's 29 in January, scored 5 in 34 games last season, the fee that it would take to get him would make martial look a bargain Harry Kane is exactly the same Its a little irrelevant what he scored last season though, he's been a goalscorer in every league he's played in, Yes theres no sell-on value but if there was and he was like 22 then he'd be a £50m player. A big team will be willing to risk 30m in order to secure champions league football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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