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  1. Wtf was all that bollocks about? Did he do it for a dare?
  2. You should have been around for the post-Beaumont years in the mid 80s.
  3. I initally made a comment about Starmer's pledges, you responded to that saying 'he says things which are probably a mix of what he believed at the time and what he felt he needed to say to win enough votes to become leader, but which he wasn't that bothered about' (i.e. things he said). In asking which ones of those were alloy wheels and posh stereos, you've then widened this to include at least two things which didn't really figure, if at all, in Starmer's policy directions but about which you've been very vocally derogatory and dismissive whilst claiming that what you've posted 'isn't about my views of Labour, or Starmer or Labour policy' but your perception of Labour party strategy thus distancing yourself from any accusation that you, too, may see the two child benefit cap as 'alloy wheels and a posh stereo', for example. This comes across as disingenuous, at best. You're attempting to eat your cake, digest it, poo it out and replate it claiming that it was someone else's cake all along.
  4. Given that I wrote: And you wrote: I think it's safe to assume that we were both talking about pledges and policies which Starmer himself put forward in order to get elected as Labour leader rather than stretching for a couple of policies from previous Labour election manifestos about which you have done little to hide your clear disdain and which may well have continued to be policy until he became leader and ditched them (if indeed he did - I don't know) since it would probably have been difficult for him to ditch them before he became leader and he didn't stand on them as pledges for his leadership bid. Hypothetical promises to be made or not in the future and whether they are or aren't taken up are vastly different to actual promises and pledges made in the past which are dropped especially given that the original point made was a criticism of the level of truth that accompanied those pledges.
  5. UBI or 'free broadband for everyone' were not, as far as I'm aware, pledges that Starmer made in order to bcome/when he became Labour leader. They were, however, a couple of policy ideas about which you, personally, havebeen very critical. Mashing those up with other things seriously undermines your claim to be merely talking about Labour strategy in some objective way or discussing 'examples of how [you] perceive the general public/voters will or might react'. The 2 child benefit cap limit as an example of what you claim is classed by the general public (see above) as alloys or a posh stereo counts me out of this whoever may be making this classification. On this specifc policy, my view is that a Labour party that supports (saying that they would not change it or scrap it is supporting it as it says that they would keep it and its consequences in place) a policy that fellow shadow cabinet members have called heinous, that has failed in its claimed objectives, that even the former Tory DWP minister Lord Fraud called vicious and has pushed thousands of households in to poverty (and will probably continue to do) so its leader and Shadow Chancellor can avoid the nonsense questions about 'funding' is a disgrace. Dropping that pledge makes me think Starmer is an utter word removed.
  6. Would you care to list out some of the policies that you believe come under this heading, please? You've taken time to list some of the things that you think are the necessary to make the car roadworthy but not spelt out what you think are in the above category. Just so I'm clear as to the types of things that are your alloy wheels and posh stereo, could you give me a couple of examples otherwise I'm left thinking that it's every policy that Starmer et al. have dropped/shifted on since his election as Labour leader. And yet at least the last two paragraphs are.
  7. They're not going to get the truth from Starmer. They'll get the same level of truth that accompanied his pledges when he sought election as Labour leader.
  8. For some, they may be. I would say that Starmer's 'positioning' has lost him plenty of potential, existing and former Labour voters. It may work out, because the Tories are so awful, that Labour still win and get a reasonable majority but relying upon the continued incompetence of the other side and difficult economic circumstances for that is a piss poor strategy (one of those two changing can alter the tide). It also suggests a grim, empty, windblown political future should the current Labour party become the next government. I've little doubt that it would be better than the Tories but don't expect me to celebrate it if it's still utter shit but not just quite as shit as the present.
  9. I think Tongue is a bit unfortunate to miss out with Robinson continuing. I suppose his (Tongue's) injury problems over the last couple of years may have something to do with it. Glad to see a shorter tail - probably get skittled now!
  10. That would have been a tough target for the bowlers!
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