Zatman Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I like Guzan he seems a good guy and he has been good for us in the past but football isnt about nostalgia. We need to get a keeper in thats an improvement if we can 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 27, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 27, 2015 He isn't top-ten because he doesn't get into the XI of any current top-ten side. Well maybe Palace, in that Speroni is mediocre too but then they overachieved to make it there. Mignolet is better than Guzan - he just isn't good enough for a side aiming to be top-four regulars. Any non-bias observer knows that Fabianski has had an impressive season. Begovic has dipped for a considerable period but then he has been dropped now and will almost certainly be sold in the summer. Then you have keepers outside the top-half like Adrian, Pantilimon and Heaton that perform to a better standard too. I don't agree about Howard, he was complete dross for most of the season. So in context, Guzan is just bang average at best and that's not good enough if we want to progress. It's true that there are bigger priority areas but ideally a new goalkeeper is signed and it seems likely that is exactly what Sherwood intends to do. Even if you come to the conclusion that Guzan is "bang average", Aston Villa are 17th in the league. Bang average is about as good as we can hope for at the moment. And the main point I was making in all of this remains. Getting rid of our bang average goalkeeper to replace him with another bang average goalkeeper (Szczesny) would be like throwing money down the toilet. (just to reiterate, I don't think guzan is bang average. He's not had a great season, but he's still a very good goalkeeper. Sadly, he's a better keeper than we are a football team. If he left us this summer he'd go to a club that finished higher than us) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Would he go to a club finishing higher than us though? On current form I would think only Everton or West Brom he would be good enough for as all other teams have had reliable keepers this season and wont sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I rate Szczęsny quite highly myself. He just lets himself down with 'headrush' moments. His problem is overconfidence - he believes he is Neuer in dealing with certain situations and ends up looking stupid. Still has the attributes to be a very good keeper though. Sadly, he's a better keeper than we are a football team. If he left us this summer he'd go to a club that finished higher than us I'm absolutely certain that won't happen. If he leaves it'll be back to the MLS most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Would he go to a club finishing higher than us though? On current form I would think only Everton or West Brom he would be good enough for as all other teams have had reliable keepers this season and wont sell I think most teams in the Premier League will be happy with their goalkeepers for next term. Also, I'd rather have Guzan in goal than Mignolet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I rate Szczęsny quite highly myself. He just lets himself down with 'headrush' moments. His problem is overconfidence - he believes he is Neuer in dealing with certain situations and ends up looking stupid. Still has the attributes to be a very good keeper though. Sadly, he's a better keeper than we are a football team. If he left us this summer he'd go to a club that finished higher than us I'm absolutely certain that won't happen. If he leaves it'll be back to the MLS most likely. Think we are in same thought process, for me Szczęsny has all the attributes to be a top keeper, something that Brad doesn't. As I've been saying Brad's footwork and kicking is a big reason why he'll just remain an average keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) If Guzan could've maintained his standard from his first season, then the shoddy distribution would've been offset but that increasingly looks like a one-off - I suspect spurred by being his first as a regular. He continued that for the opening part of last season but what we've seen since I suspect is his true standard. As you put it, there are few games where he ever makes a telling contribution anymore. In a word, nondescript. Edited May 27, 2015 by Isa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I really wouldnt complain about a 1 year loan for Szcesny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 He isn't top-ten because he doesn't get into the XI of any current top-ten side. Well maybe Palace, in that Speroni is mediocre too but then they overachieved to make it there. Mignolet is better than Guzan - he just isn't good enough for a side aiming to be top-four regulars. Any non-bias observer knows that Fabianski has had an impressive season. Begovic has dipped for a considerable period but then he has been dropped now and will almost certainly be sold in the summer. Then you have keepers outside the top-half like Adrian, Pantilimon and Heaton that perform to a better standard too. I don't agree about Howard, he was complete dross for most of the season. So in context, Guzan is just bang average at best and that's not good enough if we want to progress. It's true that there are bigger priority areas but ideally a new goalkeeper is signed and it seems likely that is exactly what Sherwood intends to do. Even if you come to the conclusion that Guzan is "bang average", Aston Villa are 17th in the league. Bang average is about as good as we can hope for at the moment. And the main point I was making in all of this remains. Getting rid of our bang average goalkeeper to replace him with another bang average goalkeeper (Szczesny) would be like throwing money down the toilet. (just to reiterate, I don't think guzan is bang average. He's not had a great season, but he's still a very good goalkeeper. Sadly, he's a better keeper than we are a football team. If he left us this summer he'd go to a club that finished higher than us) Exactly like wot Steve said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Just play Guzan in the final Tim, you know it makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Czechlad Posted May 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2015 I'd rather have Guzan that Chesney. Chesney is very error prone and lets in soft goals all of which got Guzan in trouble, but Guzan only had a few mistakes. We have a very good keeper, why would we get rid of him? I don't understand the logic here. Cleverly had terrible matches numerous times this season. Agbonlahor has made a career out of only showing up for 1 out of every 10 matches. Even Benteke looked dreadful this season, but Guzan has 2-3 poor matches in the whole season and is completely out of the picture now? It makes no sense. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 If Sherwood starts Jed Steer then I will definitely start to question his judgment. Guzan has been a steady goalkeeper for us and deserves to be playing. If it's true that Jed Steer is cup tied then I'd definitely question Sherwoods judgement... Has this been confirmed? If true who on earth will be our sub keeper on Saturday if Given dosen't make it, one of the kids from the youth team or would we be allowed to get an emergency loan in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyvilla Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Craig Hill or Brad Watkins from the u21's i would imagine Edited May 27, 2015 by mattyvilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Bring in Nigel Spink. he has experience of being on the bench for big finals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Hmm bit of a risk if Guzan saves a hard shot and injures something... I think if Given fails a fitness test this week and with Siegerist also injured we have justifiable grounds to get in an emergency loan in, I'm pretty sure a team involved in the play offs last week did that when they suddenly lost their number one to injury. Would make a brilliant quiz question in years to come if we actually win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 but most decent goalkeepers are either on holiday or will be cup-tied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 If he leaves it'll be back to the MLS most likely. If he leaves, this is probably right on the money. Primarily because Klinsmann is showing a preference for MLS players in the national team. I for one hope he doesn't leave, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 27, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 27, 2015 He's about to enter the prime of his career. There is absolutely no chance in hell he'll be going back to MLS. I'll have a hefty wager with anyone who's willing to bet he'll be in MLS next season. No way is that going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Haha! The MLS! What?? He's far too good for that league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 So is Clint Dempsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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