smetrov Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I wonder where the appointment of TS leaves the blue print for a new structure above him ? Its clear to me that Tom Fox is the all the powerful figure at the club now - Randy is happy to be the sleeping partner - but Fox will run the show IMO. Hes already brought in a Chief Commercial Officer - and rumours are that a director of football would be next. The big plus point of a DOF is that he would be a football expert and at the very least advise on managerial appointments - so we would advoid the fiasco of following Martin O Neil, with Houllier , and following him with Mcleish. The problem now is that any appointment of DOF - would seen to be to clip Sherwoods wings - although I would hope TS had been asked about his willingness to work under such a structure.... so if its still happening - who should our DOF be ? - Graham Taylor would be my choice - but another guy at Watford has been mentioned Or as such structures a load of tosh - the right manager will run the show ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Do DOF's work out ? Generally I think it's better if the manager buys the players he wants rather than someone else deciding for him who he wants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Do DOF's work out ? Generally I think it's better if the manager buys the players he wants rather than someone else deciding for him who he wants They clearly do work out because most clubs use that system, except for an ever reducing number of clubs in England who still let one man have control of everything. When one man is in control of the whole system the club goes into tailspin if that man ever leaves. The new manager comes in and tears everything down and starts again. With a director of football the club can change manager and the ship keeps sailing. The problems occur when a manager thinks he has total control but then finds out he has to answer to a DoF appointed without his knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain-from-Texas Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) I cannot imagine that Villa's forthcoming DOF was absent from the discussions with Sherwood. Not a chance. He won't shy away from it, either--Spurs have a similar structure. And, yes, DOFs do work out. It's a myth that they don't. Edited February 14, 2015 by Villain-from-Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Do DOF's work out ? Generally I think it's better if the manager buys the players he wants rather than someone else deciding for him who he wants Depends what the DOF does - I would agree with your comments. But think we need a footy person on the board to advise overall club strategy. Someone today said that southampton already have an idea of who there next manager would be - I would find that quite appealing - it would any new manager has a chance of working with what the old guy left.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Yeah only in England Directors of Football are frowned upon by old school managers and "experts" of the game. Sure Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich have been doing OK with them for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Tony Pullis I beleive works under one at WBA - But you can bet Pullis has a lot more control than Alan Irvine did in the same structure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I'd want Sherwood working with a new DOF rather than the DOF buying players that the manager hasn't had a say with but other than that can't see a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Do DOF's work out ? Generally I think it's better if the manager buys the players he wants rather than someone else deciding for him who he wants I think the manager should have a say in it but not full control. Allowing a structure in which the manager has all the power (from the playing side of things) is totally archaic. One of the biggest issues that has faced this club over the last few years is lack of continuity due to different managers coming in and embarking on a completely different direction to the last. The DOF solves that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hopefully we will copy the Southampton way as it sounds very impressive. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11366206/Gary-Neville-The-era-of-the-gaffer-is-over.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 It's the structure behind the manager that is more important at this time imo He needs a backroom team now the DOF can wait till the summer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosofsaunders Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I get the feeling he till coach the players he's given. He might get to chat about each player we sign but thing it will be a little like Spurs and newcastle (without being all french). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted February 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 14, 2015 Do DOF's work out ? Generally I think it's better if the manager buys the players he wants rather than someone else deciding for him who he wants I think the manager should have a say in it but not full control. Allowing a structure in which the manager has all the power (from the playing side of things) is totally archaic. One of the biggest issues that has faced this club over the last few years is lack of continuity due to different managers coming in and embarking on a completely different direction to the last. The DOF solves that. Well yes Isa, but on the other hand the manager and the players need to be compatible. I agree that the manager needs to get the best out of the players he has, but there are clear synergies if the manager buys players too. I also believe responsibility should not be shared. If one man buys players and another one coaches them, who knows who's fault a failure is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) I don't think we're getting a DOF as we understand the role as it's performed at other clubs. It's more of DOFoperations role, which is like a Sport Science type thing, or at least that's what it sounds like to me. Edited February 14, 2015 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Should never have let Steve Stride go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Well yes Isa, but on the other hand the manager and the players need to be compatible. I agree that the manager needs to get the best out of the players he has, but there are clear synergies if the manager buys players too. I also believe responsibility should not be shared. If one man buys players and another one coaches them, who knows who's fault a failure is. As I said, he should have a say. It just means that the job of scouting is primarily left to the recruitment team seperate from the manager. At Southampton for example, Koeman will ask for a player in x position with x attributes and then the recruitment team will get back to him with a list of suggestions. He also makes his own suggestions, such as Pellè. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Its a tricky one.....both systems only work under certain conditions. We have witnessed at first hand, what happens when managers have full autonomy and end buying players that don't work out.....its ok having full control, when you are king midas in the transfer market, but how many managers are. The old saying goes 2 heads are better than one....but then you can also say you can't have two women in the same kitchen. It all hinges around the ability of the manager and if he has good staff to help him. However, I do feel we are vulnerable not having a football man in a board related capacity even if he was a non-exec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electronicmaji Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 In before they bring back Lambert as DOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamDouggie Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hopefully we will copy the Southampton way as it sounds very impressive. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11366206/Gary-Neville-The-era-of-the-gaffer-is-over.html This.....we should do this! 'We will not be interviewed by a manager, we will interview them!' That quote is so true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 It sums up the sense of uncertainty. We have a new inexperienced chief executive, a new inexperienced head of recruitment, a new inexperienced head of media, a new inexperienced manager. Meanwhile, the “director of football operations” is a post that remains unfilled. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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