Oaks Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 It's as bad as it's been for 17 plus years. There's only 1 decent side all the rest are utter shite. We're as bad as I've ever seen us and we've beaten Liverpool and got cheated out of a win against Spurs who's both spent £100s of millions in the last few years. Arsenal and United are awful and unbalanced and I've not even started on the teams in the bottom half. Southampton are second. They should have battered us on Monday, that's the weakest line up we've put out in the 25 years I e supported this great club. And the teams in Europe have been embarrassing. What's gone wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) La Liga are nicking all of our players... Edit: although saying that we did get Alexis and Fabregas.. Edited November 27, 2014 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 It's as bad as it's been for 17 plus years. There's only 1 decent side all the rest are utter shite. We're as bad as I've ever seen us and we've beaten Liverpool and got cheated out of a win against Spurs who's both spent £100s of millions in the last few years. Arsenal and United are awful and unbalanced and I've not even started on the teams in the bottom half. Southampton are second. They should have battered us on Monday, that's the weakest line up we've put out in the 25 years I e supported this great club. And the teams in Europe have been embarrassing. What's gone wrong? I think you could easily spin this around as the premier league being very competitive top to bottom (unlike other European league) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 It's as bad as it's been for 17 plus years. There's only 1 decent side all the rest are utter shite. We're as bad as I've ever seen us and we've beaten Liverpool and got cheated out of a win against Spurs who's both spent £100s of millions in the last few years. Arsenal and United are awful and unbalanced and I've not even started on the teams in the bottom half. Southampton are second. They should have battered us on Monday, that's the weakest line up we've put out in the 25 years I e supported this great club. And the teams in Europe have been embarrassing. What's gone wrong? I think you could easily spin this around as the premier league being very competitive top to bottom (unlike other European league) Competitive yes, but the standard of football is atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 The Premier League has been garbage for a long time. The English media does love tooting the "anyone can beat anyone" horn, but that's only because the standard is so poor. You very rarely get a good game of football because 1) Few teams play nice football 2) The teams who DO play nice football come up against hoofing/anti-football from the ones who don't which stifles the game 3) When the teams who play nice football come up against each other, they usually cancel each other out for a dull game 4) When two teams who play crap football play against each other, aside from the odd cracker, you get a sloppy game of rubbish It's a very exciting league, and it can be unpredictable, but it's absolutely awful when it comes to the quality of actual football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Effectively the Premier League has become the Championship. That has always had the potential for anyone to beat anyone else whilst being short of actual quality football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted November 27, 2014 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2014 I think you're all exagerrating. We're spoilt because most of the spanish/german etc football most of us see is Barcelona/ Real Madrid/Bayern/Dortmund etc or Champions League games so we mostly see the highest quality of their football. I'd bet if you were watching games like Cordoba vs Almeria every week you'd see the same standard of football as you do in lower premier league games 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 It's as bad as it's been for 17 plus years. There's only 1 decent side all the rest are utter shite. We're as bad as I've ever seen us and we've beaten Liverpool and got cheated out of a win against Spurs who's both spent £100s of millions in the last few years. Arsenal and United are awful and unbalanced and I've not even started on the teams in the bottom half. Southampton are second. They should have battered us on Monday, that's the weakest line up we've put out in the 25 years I e supported this great club. And the teams in Europe have been embarrassing. What's gone wrong? I think you could easily spin this around as the premier league being very competitive top to bottom (unlike other European league) Competitive yes, but the standard of football is atrocious. Go watch a game in Spain, Italy and Germany that isn;t Juve, Barca, Atletico, Real or Bayern. It's like watching testimonials. Absolute dire stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I watched Arsenal vs Dortmund last night. I know Dortmund have seen better days, but Arsenal themselves are a mid table club at present. Arsenal were **** miles ahead in terms of quality. On the night at least. I think the original opinion is mostly based on the fact that we as a club are so bloody bad right now. I think the premier league is doing just fine as a whole, no better or worse than it has always been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 It might be down the fact I am losing interest in club football in general but I do think the standard is getting worse. That might just be me though as I'm not as hooked as I was. I look at the Man Utd team of Beckham, Keane, Scholes and Giggs and then the Arsenal 'invincibles' and I don't see a team as good or exciting as that nowadays. The whole 'Greatest League in the World' bullshit rolled out for the Premier League is not true either. All the very best players are in Spain. Plus the media harp on about everyone being able to beat everyone in the Premier League, which is true very occasionally but at the end of the season it is the richest few that prosper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Too much money creating players who are no longer hungry. Messi would not be half the player in this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 You'd have to be a masochist to watch that rubbish I witnessed on Monday if you were a neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Too much money creating players who are no longer hungry. Messi would not be half the player in this league Messi is probably the highest-paid player in the world so I'm not sure why that would make a difference. If anything the players here are too hungry and don't go out to entertain any more or build relationships with the clubs' fans. There are also very few local players unlike La Liga and Bundesliga. Perhaps there are just too many live games, or at least they aren't divided up fairly. Watching yet another Liverpool game is very low on my list of priorities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 The grass is always greener, isn't it? This week in the Champions League, all four of the German sides lost and Bayern were the only team who even managed to score a goal. On Dortmundsprechen.de (or whatever) is somebody starting a thread lamenting the quality of German football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 we believed our own hype for too long sky and the media have banged the "best league in the world" drum and the fans and players started to believe it, too many live games, too much pissing about with the schedule of games, too much european football, too much international football, too much bias towards the "favourites" especially in the media coverage, too much andy townsend, too much inconsistency in the refs and cheating from the players, too many footballers being paid a fortune and being incredibly unlikable and then to top it off the prices and off the field enjoyment of football is dying a death, too much to get in, too much to drink, too much to eat, we are treated like shit as fans then you add in far too much inability to keep your star players from sitting on a top 4 bench (when arsenal cant keep their players from city's bench then you know you have a problem) if anyone is any good then they wont play for you for long, creates apathy around teams and its a disease amongst football fans, id be interested to know how many football fans at the moment look at it and wonder what the point is, apart from away days i know i do its not as competitive as people make out either, just watching the villa last year i probably commented that it was the worst game of football ive ever seen in my life about 5 times, QPR v us this year was horrific football, for every great game that sky force down your throat there are several that they keep quiet on the "product" of premier league football has peaked and is now dipping IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 The grass is always greener, isn't it? This week in the Champions League, all four of the German sides lost and Bayern were the only team who even managed to score a goal. On Dortmundsprechen.de (or whatever) is somebody starting a thread lamenting the quality of German football? I never watch the Bundesliga but I wish we'd follow their pricing strategy and fan ownership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 completely unrelated to this the exact same discussion just started in my office! i got properly on my soap box! my comment to the office was that the premier league does very well in selling the illusion of "competing" especially to the likes of everton and spurs, are they competing? they play well, get several great results a year, always come close to... 4th and the champions league promised land, they've achieved it 3 times between the pair of them in the last 10 years and only once in the group stage, and on each occasion i would argue that it was more due to an established top 4 team imploding rather than them stepping up a gear in the next 10 years can you realistically see either of those clubs establishing themselves as champions league regulars? which you need to be to have a crack at the title IMO or in an even better scenario can you see both clubs and 3/4 others being involved in a revolving door which saw several teams getting a go in the CL over the next 10 years? personally i don't see it, in the next 10 years we'll do well to get 1 new team in the champions league (before someone says southampton, there's a long way to go yet, i think that bubble will burst) i think 15 teams in the prem are there to make up the numbers, 10 of them know it too and have the remit of surviving every season (us included ) do other european leagues have the same? i dont think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 The grass is always greener, isn't it? This week in the Champions League, all four of the German sides lost and Bayern were the only team who even managed to score a goal. On Dortmundsprechen.de (or whatever) is somebody starting a thread lamenting the quality of German football? I never watch the Bundesliga but I wish we'd follow their pricing strategy and fan ownership. Me too but it can't happen, that needs to be implemented from day one and never relinquished. The horse has bolted here. The Bundesliga isn't some kind of utopia though, Bayern Munich have won 10 of the last 15 league titles (it will soon be 11 of 16) and in 8 of those 10 seasons they actually won the double (or in 2012/13, the treble) so German football is every bit as uncompetitive as everywhere else. But yeah, it's cheaper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshVilla Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) It's much like other European leagues. It can be exciting at points, and it can also be horribly boring and predictable. I think the main thing that makes the Premier League look bad is its extortionate pricing. Edited November 27, 2014 by JoshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 This season hasn't reflected well on the league because bar Chelsea, the other bigger/better teams have been pretty crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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