Jimzk5 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Says the PFA cheif Gordon TaylorFootball has a "hidden resistance" preventing black managers getting jobs, says players' union boss Gordon Taylor. The Professional Footballers' Association chief executive said the Football League failed to fulfil a "promise" to discuss the 'Rooney Rule' introduced in American football. The rule has been credited with an increase in black coaches in the NFL. "You see so many black players on the pitch, yet we have two black managers out of 92," said Taylor. In a wide-ranging interview with BBC Sport, the players' union chief executive spoke about a lack of black managers in the English game and the difficulties in getting more home-grown players into Premier League teams. Full article here Isn't this Rooney rule just positive discrimination? Forcing clubs to interview at least 1 non white candidate for every job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'd like to know what Sol Campbell has to say on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardCanning Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I maintain if a black manager is good enough he will be given the job: Tigana, Ince, Powell, Curle & Rosenior to name a few who have been given opportunities. In this day and age if you prove yourself to be good enough you will be given an opportunity at the next level up, you just have to prove your worth lower down the leagues, lets face it not everyone is as lucky as Tim Sherwood I genuinely do not understand where Taylor is coming from with this. I mean the president of America (arguably the highest profile job in the world) is black so why wouldn't football clubs want black people on the coaching staff? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 23, 2014 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2014 Isn't this Rooney rule just positive discrimination? Well it certainly isn't age discrimination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 23, 2014 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2014 I maintain if a black manager is good enough he will be given the job: Tigana, Ince, Powell, Curle & Rosenior to name a few who have been given opportunities. In this day and age if you prove yourself to be good enough you will be given an opportunity at the next level up, you just have to prove your worth lower down the leagues, lets face it not everyone is as lucky as Tim Sherwood I genuinely do not understand where Taylor is coming from with this. I mean the president of America (arguably the highest profile job in the world) is black so why wouldn't football clubs want black people on the coaching staff? I agree entirely but it is hard to argue that the number of 2 in 92 don't really stack up for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Rooney rule is a start. Racism is an endemic problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Not really sure affirmative action has a place in sports. But certainly something is amiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 How many black players actually take up their coaching badges at the end of their careers? I remember Sol Campbell mouthing of about the lack of black managers a while back and if I remember rightly he hadn't took his coaching badges. It's not like a huge amount of black or asian managers for that matter are knocking down the doors at clubs with their coaching badges and being rejected, which would be racist. It's not like all owner's of clubs are all white either for example- Venky's at Blackburn Sheik Mansour at City Fernandes and Mittal at QPR The Allam family at Hull Tan at Cardiff The Thai owners at Leicester Shahid Khan at Fulham Al Hawasi family at Forest Abdullah Bin Musa'ed at Sheffield United And how many of them employ black or non white managers? None. If you want to see more non-white managers in the League try to encourage retired professional's to take their coaching badges rather than introduce something as stupid as the Rooney rule as it will have no impact what so ever apart from being a token gesture. If more non-white former players take their coaching badges and try and get into management and find their route blocked then the topic of racism blocking the pathways of non-white managers can be bought up again and rightly so. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'm sure if there were more with the right qualifications we'd see more non white managers. Maybe they don't feel theres much point to go through the process of getting their coaching badges but the opportuntiies would be there if they did. Its all very well bringing in the Rooney rule but it wouldn't make much difference if they haven't got the neccessary qualifications of experience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Regardless of whether or not there is a problem with chairman not hiring black managers, the Rooney rule is certainly not the way to go about fixing it IMO. Discrimination of any kind based on race has no place in football (or anywhere in the workplace for that matter) - it just doesn't do any good really. At the end of the day football is driven relentlessly by results, more so than most other professions in fact, so if you're good enough then clubs will hire you. The argument that there's a barrier for black managers makes little sense to me because we're at the stage now where race has certainly been no barrier when it comes to players for quite some time. Most likely the discrepancy has been caused by the fact that black players have only come into the professional game in large numbers relatively recently and most managers are former players in their 40s/50s/60s. I'm pretty certain that in 10/20 years there'll be quite a few black managers without any "positive" discrimination being necessary at all. Edited September 23, 2014 by Mantis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Thierry Henry? He'd be a good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I agree with what others have said. If you're good enough it doesn't matter what race you are. Look at Paul Ince a highly respected player who played in different league under different managers. He has learnt the trade and fairy been given some good jobs. The simple matter is he has been appalling in those jobs and therefore rightly got sacked, again race didn't come into those decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will87 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I just think for whatever reason a far lower proportion of black players go into management compared to white players, if there were tons of black players complaining that they want to get into management but aren't being given the opportunities, but there doesn't seem to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 maybe media punditry creams off the best black football analysts so the population left to be great black football managers is very small compared to the population left over to be non-black managers. media organizations aim to be representative so they really aggressively seek out great black pundits and maybe this stops many of them pursuing a career in coaching and management. Currently active black pundits I can think of - Robbie Earle NBC Jason Roberts BBC Clarke Carlisle ITV Garth Crooks BBC Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink BBC Ruud Gullit BBC (and manager) Marcel Desailly ITV + French Ian Wright BBC Chris Kamara Sky Dion Dublin BBC Stan Collymore Talksport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 People seem to be misunderstanding what the Rooney Rule is - it doesn't force you to appoint a black manager, merely to interview one. There's no pressure to award that person the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Thierry Henry? He'd be a good manager. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 If you look at the highest level of all major sports worldwide the coaches are mainly white, it's not just football. Chief executives too. Owners too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The_Rev Posted September 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2014 But the population of those countries who have top level sports leagues are overwhelmingly white. The USA is 12% black The UK is 3.5% black Germany is 2% black Spain is 1.5% black Italy doesn't appear to keep statistics but it's estimated at about 1% black It's illegal in France to collect data about ethnicity and race, but it's estimated at 5% black If you go specifically to the England then of the 92 managers we have got only 2 are black. Only 59 are English. In the Premier League only 8 are English (12 British when you include Lambert, Irvine, Rodgers & Hughes). It's a much wider question than it usually gets boiled down to. Blacks are very much over represented in terms of number of players relative to the overall population and we will never see those kinds of numbers in management (in any industry) but I don't think that makes us a racist society. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 How many english managers currently manage in the prem ? - There should be an enquiry and quotas introduced. Complete Rubbish - If a black manager was good enough he would have plenty of suitors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 think its rubbish if you ask me, If your a good enough candidate you will get the job regardless of your race or religion especially with the money around these days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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